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Re: Meta on "Lost in the life" dub!con and non!con and canon!Marcone

[personal profile] akelios 2011-06-07 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooohh...very interesting thoughts. I loved reading all the comments here!

I'm going to keep my comment brief, mainly because, well. I'm a big believer in Death of the Author.

As I understand the canon timeline, this would actually be set about five years before SF. That messes with Marcone's stated timeline with this fic vs. canon - I've moved up his rise to power, basically. So this is not even the SF or FM Marcone in terms or ruthlessness. This is pre-canon Marcone. He's still fighting to get everything under control. He'll take any weapon he can get his hands on if it can be used in a directed, controlled manner.

This Marcone is a much darker Marcone than the one I see in canon, honestly. I said it elsewhere that canon Marcone to me reads as Anti Hero, while this Marcone is very much a villain. I still love this Marcone, but in a different way.

As far as I'm concerned, Marcone is manipulating and forcing Harry outright to get what he wants, whether that's magic or sex. He may even be viewing the sex (aside from being enjoyable for him) as another way to manipulate Harry and break him faster. Not that he views it as a *punishment*, but as a tool to make Harry more dependant on him and more isolated from other people. Sex is a powerful thing whether it's being used for good or for evil purposes.

And, while YMMV, I view it all as noncon, just because there's no way of knowing what Harry would or would not have done with John if the collar wasn't there. There's no way to tell if any of what happens is Harry's idea or if he wants to do it at all, because the collar overrides and forces him to do what John wants.

Re: Meta on "Lost in the life", non!con and canon!Marcone

(Anonymous) 2012-04-25 02:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Marcone takes expedient choices that come to hand. Some Marcones are provided with more corrosive choices than others.

This Marcone, perhaps less seasoned in the ways power can fail the weak, is too willing to take as given that Harry, for all that he appears sweet, deserves the punishment of enslavement.

Hendricks seems to be more firmly (but not enough to stop John) on the side that some means are plain wrong. This would be akin to the Laws of Magic, interestingly.

I think canon!Marcone does have an ethical position regarding rape, it's just one that distinguishes between sheep and goats. He might consider the practices of some of his street operators repugnant, but as long as they restrain themselves to adults in the criminal bent, he's not going to be executing them in warehouses. He may also have a personal position, that he prefers his torture to stick to 'traditional violence' and scatological horror, and not include rape in the mix he metes out.

This could been seen as his version of not killing people with magic.

At the point I've read to he's burning all the bridges that have led to where he is with Harry, that have authorized the enslavement of children left to fend for themselves.

Not that any of these things can free Harry. It has consigned to death various captives that could not survive their masters. Marcone must live with his actions, and see how he can let Harry live in chains.

I think Nathan really enjoyed his work with Morgan.