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Re: Meta on "Lost in the life" dub!con and non!con and canon!Marcone

[personal profile] luciazephyr 2011-06-07 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
My only thought on this fic is... I'd really prefer it if people stopped calling it dubcon. It's not. It's noncon. Harry cannot consent, period.

Usually I'm okay with labeling a fic like this dubcon, but this repeated idea that, well, maybe if Harry enjoyed it that makes it less rape-- no, it doesn't.

That's... my two cents. :slinks off to hide now:

Re: Meta on "Lost in the life" dub!con and non!con and canon!Marcone

(Anonymous) 2011-06-07 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm with you on this. I've been known to like the dubiest of dubcon and I like some noncon if it's written right, and this is definitely the latter.

The line may only exist in my head, but... well, if they're both sex-pollened into it, then it's dubcon, but if one character deliberately spikes another's drink with sexpollen? That's non-con.

And there's some borderline stuff, even in canon-- Thomas and Justine, for example, where he does use his ability on her to make her do what he wants (not talk about a particular topic), but then, it's also made clear that she's made a choice to put herself in that relationship (for various reasons), so she's... well, consented to a certain lack of consent, if that makes any sense. It's not okay, but it's a not okay that she's chosen (and yes, it's a sucky choice, but she's chosen the option that, horrible as it sounds, actually gives her more control over her own mind... oh, the essays that could be written about Justine!)

And in this case, Marcone is removing Harry's ability to say no-- he's deliberately cutting that off from him, and that makes it noncon. Marcone could let Harry have that ability by the act of *respecting it*, and he's opting to not. Noncon.
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Re: Meta on "Lost in the life" dub!con and non!con and canon!Marcone

[personal profile] luciazephyr 2011-06-07 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks, anon. I thought I was alone, getting kind of uncomfortable with the discussion of the fic.

Re: Meta on "Lost in the life" dub!con and non!con and canon!Marcone

(Anonymous) 2011-06-07 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I made an earlier comment referring to this as dubcon because at that point, given that we weren't in Harry's POV, it wasn't clear to me if Harry had indeed initiated things in the limo. But as further parts were posted it became obvious that it's indeed noncon.