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Meta goes here! Questions of a non-modly manner go here! Everything that isn't a prompt, fill or feedback goes here! Beware of potential spoilers. Please warn for spoilers, especially Cold Days spoilers. Do not put spoilers in your subject lines.

Original meta post

(Anonymous) 2011-03-31 05:36 am (UTC)(link)
Umm, original meta post is here if anyone needs the link:

http://scribe-protra.livejournal.com/216205.html

And yay to a new round and community! Also, I think the captcha is still on.

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(Anonymous) 2011-03-31 01:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh mods, dear mods, would you be willing to turn off the adult content warning for the overall community (and then only put it on the actual prompt/fill posts, if you have to?)

When one is reading logged-out to avoid anon fails, it means one has to click through two or three extra screens to get to the content, which I understand for porn purposes might be necessary, but's its really annoying to have to do it for the discussion posts and everything else, too. (And to not be able to even see the rules without clicking through the three extra screens...)

(other than that, yay for new community!)

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Delicious account

(Anonymous) 2011-04-01 03:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Anons, is the delicious account hard to navigate? I'd like to know if there are essential tags that you think are missing.

(Mods, is it alright if I use this thread for delicious account-related concerns?)

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Per the Anon who posted the "quick question" earlier...

(Anonymous) 2011-04-02 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
I'm willing to create an ff.net account and post fills there (or at AO3), but I'm NOT willing to go searching for fills to put there, and I don't want to post fills that author!nons will be putting under their own accounts anywhere else (especially without their permission).

That being said, if I create an account on either site and only post fills that authors "send" me by posting links on certain thread, is this something that would be wanted? Or would this cause more problems?
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Re: Per the Anon who posted the "quick question" earlier...

[personal profile] luciazephyr 2011-04-02 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
Ugh, fuck FF.Net, srsly. Pit of Voles. AO3 all the way.

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[personal profile] luciazephyr 2011-04-02 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
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Anyone else kind of want a Dresden Files Dressing Room?

:looks forlornly at her readyaimfuego account:

(Anonymous) 2011-04-18 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Not sure if this is the right place for this, but I wanted to share that I miss some of my favorite wips from round two that seem to haven't been updated since round two was closed and we moved over here. I'm not sure whether I should go back to the original posts and leave feedback or not.

I suppose this is one of the downside of anon authors- if I knew their LJ or dreamwidth handle I could bug them there, but it's kind of hard to start begging the general intranets "Dear Anon Author Who Was Writing The Story about X, I really really really WANT MOAR!"

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Mouse's Looks.

(Anonymous) 2011-04-19 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, I've known for a while that what I think Mouse looks like isn't exactly canon, but I'm wondering how exactly fanon pictures mouse generally.

Myself as example:

I know in canon Mouse is supposed to be a Foo Dog, and so look something like a chow ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chow_Chow ). To me, however, this is impractical (grooming issues, for one, for another they aren't particularly active) and doesn't fit the idea of a dog that goes with Harry to battle the fae/latest baddie.

Instead, I think of this breed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesian_Ridgeback
An african breed for hunting lions (instead of being a "lion-dog") that seems to fit Mouse, especially when you look at the temperament (here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesian_Ridgeback#Temperament ). This, especially, reminds me of Mouse:
"Ridgebacks are strong-willed, intelligent, and many seem to have a penchant for mischief, though loving. They are protective of their owners and families. If trained well, they can be excellent guard dogs."

(Also, the 8-month picture is, to me, the perfect image of Mouse.) :)

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(Anonymous) 2011-04-19 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
I always pictured Mouse as a Tibetan Mastiff.

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Fact checking

(Anonymous) 2011-04-25 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Can anyone recommend a place where we can do fact checks/discussions on parts of the Dresden-verse? There are a few details here and there I want to confirm before posting fic, but I don't really want to wade through the books for each one.

Or if there isn't one, can we start up a thread here?

Error in judgement / No magic for poor Harry discussion

(Anonymous) 2011-05-01 04:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm thinking the discussion over on http://dresden-kink.dreamwidth.org/1288.html?thread=369160#cmt369160 might have gotten a little bit extensive. Shall we scootch our group over to a more appropriate venue?

[personal profile] silverdusk 2011-05-04 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Tell me if this issue has been addressed before, either by JB, in canon, or elsewhere on the internet (wouldn't be the first time I missed something), but after reading all the meta on what was going on with Harry while he was at Ebenezer's, I got wondering: what did he do with Bob during those years? NO ONE knows about Bob, right? Which means Ebenezer doesn't know about him. So what did Harry do, keep Bob tucked away in a box for three/four years? If not, how much of an influence on Harry would Bob have been? Keeping in mind that, at this point, Bob would still have been Justin-influenced and therefore not the perverted skull we all know and love today.

(Anonymous) 2011-05-04 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I think Harry mentions he hid Bob somewhere while he was at McCoy's--as in, he buried him in a hole or something. I'll check my RPG manual later tonight and see if I can confirm.

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a question

(Anonymous) 2011-05-06 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
How Harry got Mister?

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Found him in a dumpster.

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Bible and the DF

(Anonymous) 2011-05-07 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
Are any biblical events accepted as canon in the Dresden-verse, outside of the crucifixion? Is anything mentioned?

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(Anonymous) 2011-05-07 01:20 pm (UTC)(link)
So far as I remember, it's not so much the events themselves as people's belief in them. I don't even know if the crucifixion is DF-canon, since I think the swords are explained as "it is believed that they each have a nail from the crucifixion" (not a direct quote).

I.E., the Shroud is such a powerful object and "miracles" happen around it because people believe they will happen.

I've always thought it was highly mind-blowing, though, that by this reasoning the Christian God exists because Man created him through belief, yet that same belief states that God created Man. Sort of like asking which came first, the chicken or the egg!

The only other one I can think of is Judas' betrayal, because we do have the thirty coins of the Denarians. People believe in that betrayal, believe it was wrong, and believe that the silver Judas took was cursed. So fallen angels inhabit the coins. If I remember right, Harry referenced the single gospel where Judas regretted his actions and hung himself afterwards (I want to say Mark, but it's been so long since I've looked at the Judas story I'm almost definitely wrong). And again, that could be wrong too.

I'm open to correction, of course, but essentially I've always thought that the actually reality of the events didn't matter as much in the DF-canon - the faith in them was the important part.

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(Anonymous) 2011-05-09 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
I've always been slightly confused about what is cannon as having happened to Harry while being held by Bianca's Court. I took it to mean he was physically gang raped but I've been told by others that I read to much into stuff before. The book is intentionally vague so I don't know if see stuff that isn't there or not.

(Anonymous) 2011-05-11 07:27 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not entirely clear in Grave Peril (although heavily implied) that what they did to him involved sexual assault; however, some of the references he makes to it in later books leave it pretty clear that yes, it was rape (and that he might even be able to admit that to himself some day.)

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Personality Traits

(Anonymous) 2011-05-17 05:34 am (UTC)(link)
Uhm, hi. I know this might sound bad to some of you, but I've always had a problem with naming traits with canon characters, mostly because they're not my characters. I just don't have that connection with them to really understand their personalities and thought process, so I was wondering if y'all could help me with, well, naming their traits.

NO. Not asking you to tell me how to write them, just asking you to tell me your thoughts on... who you think the characters are...

OTL, this is not coming out right, but please, it would be a relief just to get a few words to work off of.

I know, I know. I should be able to figure these things out myself. Bad writer, bad! But it's embarrassing asking un-anon and I'm too shy to go find a beta (or ask what a beta really does besides fixing typos(?)) as un-anon and tell them my predicament. Kind of a beginner, here. /awkwardturtle

If, uhm, you'd people like to help out a fellow peep, replying is most appreciated and questions are okay. If you think I need to GTFO, please tell me and I'll be on my way.

And if this doesn't belong in the discussion post, uhm... I don't know where it should belong? It doesn't seem to really fit with the "asking a mod" thing. Erm. School me?

what the juice. talking to people should be easier on the internet.

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(Anonymous) 2011-05-17 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
idk, often characters change from fic to fic, from TV to books and to comics... So, I'll shoot.

Dresden: had a difficult past so he intends to 1) help others, like new mags 2) add humor as much as possible. Disorganized. Courageous and decisive, a.i. he does staff as soon as he decides on it. He lacks connection to others, partly that's why he has Mister, but he's ok with it and copes well.
Murphy: well, as in books. Strong but with undercurrent vulnerability. Wants to prove herself, carrier oriented. Judges fast, white and black.
Bianca: idk, vampire psych and all... I like her in TV series, where she can be nice on a whim and not actualy evil.
Marcone: logical, consistent in his goals, energetic. Nice sense of humor, not enough chances to exercise it. Smug. Loyal.
Michael Carpenter: nice, traditional kind of guy, family oriented.
Thomas Raith: conflicted, lightheaded, artsy. Romantic.

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Beta?

(Anonymous) 2011-05-17 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Where do you find people to beta for you while still remaining anonymous on the kink meme? Sorry if this has been asked before. ;_;

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Never mind being anonymous - how do you find a beta period? I'm new to the fandom and none of my friends are interested in the Dresden Files. Oh, the woes of a newbie.

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tir_synni: Harry Dresden (Dresden)

[personal profile] tir_synni 2011-05-28 02:41 am (UTC)(link)
Not anon'ing as I just posted this on my lj. *coughs*

Does anyone else think that maybe Harry's perspective on gender roles/his chivalry/chauvinism is just an extension of his fear of sexuality? I mean, he is comfortable associating sex with a woman only as long as he can also associate love, commitment, etc. He grows more relaxed come the time with Luccio, but even then he expected long-term commitment and needed Luccio in his face and Thomas shoving him into her.

When it comes to looking at men and women, he looks at them both in a sexual way without admitting he's looking at them in a sexual way (i.e., Molly, Marcone, and Thomas before he knew Thomas was his brother). He makes it clear that he thinks of Molly as a relative while checking out her chest. It's possible he's the only person who's mastered being in the closet for bisexuality.

The only time he has control over someone else's sexuality, he bans sexual acts. It makes you wonder if that was something that was taught to him (apprentices /=/ sex) or if it's something he wished he could have done himself when he was younger (been celibate and stayed celibate).

tl;dr: Harry Dresden's a chauvinistic bastard because he's scared of sex.

(Anonymous) 2011-05-28 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
alternately - he's scared of sex for different, undisclosed reasons. Perhaps something to do with Elaine and Justin, or just something from that time period in his life (or his time with Eb). Being a young, impressionable teenager, it's quite possible that he still has things that Justin taught him that are so deeply ingrained that he doesn't even associate them with that period in his life anymore.

For example, Eb or Justin (I could see either doing so) instilling in him the fact that sex is bad. Maybe Eb heavily implied that sex not rooted in a long term loving relationship could be used for dark magic, or that it could be used as a way for someone to come after him - and Tommmy Tom and Jennifer's deaths would have certainly cemented that thought! Or perhaps Justin was saving him as something of a virgin sacrifice/temptation for demons (for some reason). Considering that Justin was trying to mind-magic Harry, it certainly wouldn't stray far that he could have instilled a fear of sex to cement that. Maybe it was even something that went WRONG, or maybe it was the one thrall attempt that actually worked.

It may have also been Elaine. Maybe something happened with that relationship and Harry got burned; or someone else from school/neighborhood/whatever had a relationship with Harry but was only using him - it may have even happened several times, as it's not exactly uncommon for teenagers to go through several relationships.

It's also possible that he believes Elaine was thralled and in a worse state than he was because of sexual/potentially sexual relationship he had with her.

There's just so much about Harry's past that we don't know - him having a fear of sex is a possibility, but it's also possible that the real fear is something that he's associating with sexual relationships that we don't see. He has so many potential reasons to be a chauvinistic bastard that it's hard to say.

Because he also spent a good deal of time with Eb, who is a bit old-fashioned. Chauvinistic bastard was probably a common and accepted attitude when he grew up, and he could have passed that on to Harry who, having just been saved from death by Eb, would be working very hard to stay on Eb's good side. Right after his trial Harry would have likely been very confused, grateful, and scared - he would likely have done very little to piss Eb off in those first few days, and that sort of traumatic event changes people. He may very well (subconsciously) be thinking that he still has to obey some of Eb's not-so-subtle orders given way-back-when, because if he pisses the man off to much than Eb will kill him. Not logical, no, especially considering a sexual relationship, but not psychologically impossible either.

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Meta on "Lost in the life" dub!con and non!con and canon!Marcone

[personal profile] forestgreen 2011-06-06 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Today, I couldn't stop thinking about the sex scene between John and Harry (on chapter 3), trying to decide if John is aware of what he's doing or not. Yeah, my productivity was not good, but well ... shit happens, employer, sorry.

For the record, I love dub!con and non!con in stories. It's one of my kinks and not something I'm ashame to admit. I particularly like stories in which the divide between the one and the other is not clear, which is why this story is hitting so many of my buttons just right :) (aka forestgreen has died and gone to heaven).

But, back to my meta thoughts: I'm inclined to believe that John is manipulating Harry on purpose. Idk, it just read that ways to me. I kept doubting my own interpretation, though, and I realized that it was in part due to the idealized concept of perfect!John that fanon has made popular: John is gender-aware and privilege-aware and he wouldn't force anyone and he wouldn't kill puppies either :)

I'm guilty of using/writing this interpretation, too, but when I think about it from a more rational point of view, this isn't really the canon!John we have, or is he?

I mean, canon!John is awesome (and I love him to bits) but he's also the Head of Chicago Outfit. He wouldn't have made it that far if he wasn't willing to be a ruthless motherfucker (which he is). Yes, canon has established that he isn't cruel when it can't be avoided (not because he's nice, but because he doesn't consider it effective in the long term). He's a killer (as per his actions, his own admission and what Harry saw of him in the soulgaze).

He did try to force Harry to work for him, because really, "sign my contract or I'll let rabid werewolves kill you" is the kind of offer that you can't refuse unless you're Harry (clever, magically powerful and very, very lucky). John tried to force Harry's collaboration on more that one occasion (after all he tried to make a deal with the FBI to capture Harry again, and didn't have any compulsions in letting the loup-garou kill the Alphas -- very young people even if not quite children -- in order to get Harry for himself).

When you take away the idealization of John fandom is guilty of, canon!John is the kind of person who wouldn't have any compulsions in buying a slave (a powerful wizard) if it helped him protect Chicago and further his goals as Head of the Outfit. He wouldn't even think twice about it. In the soulgaze Harry says, that John is the kind of person who kills and does cruel, ruthless things like a supermarket purchase (if the benefit outweighs the cost, he'll pay it and be done with it).

And then, there's the timing. Because I agree that as the books advance, we see a more human (compassionate?) side of John. But is it so much that he has changed? Or that he can afford to show more mercy, because he has consolidated his power (becoming a signatory of the Accords, erasing everyone that has--or can--oppose him in Chicago)? That leads back to the supermarket purchase simile that Harry uses: the price of showing humanity isn't as high the more powerful he becomes, because there are less people out there who can oppose him.

But this John, the one from "Lost in the life", he isn't there yet. This is a John who is still rising to power. Timeline-wise, this story takes place about one and half year before Storm Front (right?). So this John can't afford to show any kind of weakness; he has to be more ruthless, more careless of other people's feelings--even if the price is turning off his own humanity or at least tuning it down a bit. This is the John who was willing to let werewolves eat Harry, the John who killed everyone in the mafia who didn't swear loyalty to him, the one who cleaned the streets of Chicago of all competition. Would he purposely manipulate Harry to have sex with him, especially if he can tell himself that Harry is enjoying it?

Yes, he would. That's my opinion.

It doesn't mean that as time passes and he stops seeing Harry as a tool, and starts seeing him more as a friend and a lover (Stockholm syndrome goes both ways after all) he might (probably will) bitterly regret the choices he made. More so, when he realizes that he stole those choices away from Harry, that there's no way now he can ever learn if Harry would have chosen him freely given enough time.

Also, we don't know yet what Morgan told John. Let's not forget who brokered the sales contract. Morgan probably told him that only the worst warlocks (ruthless killers who twist magic for their own purposes) are turned into slaves so that they can be stopped from killing innocents. Morgan sure as hell didn't tell him that Harry claimed it was in self defense, and that Justin was trying to enslave/kill Harry. All slaves John might have seen before Harry are indeed, cruel, ruthless warlocks. As John sees it, what's one more punishment, right? If Harry is a killer, he doesn't deserve the protections that John's sense of honor would give innocents/children.

With time he will realize that something doesn't add up between what Morgan told him and what he's seeing. But right now, as of chapter 3? He wouldn't have any moral qualms about forcing the good-looking, ruthless, killer he believes Harry to be to bend to his will. And if he has to force Harry to lie to Hendricks, to get Hendricks off his back, yeah, John would do that, too. He probably thinks Hendricks is being soft on Harry, forgetting what Harry truly is (as per Morgan's sales pitch -- a warlock).

So, anyway, I'm shutting up now. This is a huge meta between the divide of fanon!John, canon!John, forestgreen's interpretation of John and the ultimate question, to life the universe and everything. The answer, in case your wondering is 42.

My brain, sometimes it scares me.

Also, I love this fic! :) :) :)

Also No. 2, I'd love to hear your thinky thoughts on this (not necessary the fic, although that'd be great of course, but your interpretation of John Marcone). Would he force Harry? Wouldn't he? How does he evolve in the books? Anything, really.

Re: Meta on "Lost in the life" dub!con and non!con and canon!Marcone

(Anonymous) 2011-06-06 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow. I love it when other people are thinky.

You make an excellent case for both John manipulating Harry on purpose and on why he might be doing it, given where his character arc would be at the time this story is set. I don't know if this is what the author is intending, but your arguments make a lot of sense to me. And I totally agree that Fanon!John is often portrayed as someone with far more scruples than the man we see in the books, or, indeed someone who could rise to be head of the Chicago Mob.

That said, based on the chapters we've seen in this story so far, I'm still on the fence as to whether or not John is doing this on purpose. I agree that this could very well be the case. I also think it's possible that John is guilty of not having paid full attention to the description of how the binding worked-- and/or Morgan left out important details. John's been so wrapped up in the triumph of having acquired Harry, and of owning someone that powerful that I doubt he's spend much time considering exactly what it means that Harry has to obey John's thoughts, not just his verbal commands.

ramblings of happy folks, don't mind us!

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*adds another soul to her collection* *admires them all* ♥ ::ahem:: YES. YOU SIMPLY MUST WRITE IT. AFTER THIS, OF COURSE. THIS WON'T TAKE MUCH MORE TIME TO FINISH, RIGHT? ONE, MAYBE TWO MORE CHAPTERS? ♥

YES. GRANNIES AND AUNTIES FUSSING. BECAUSE YOU KNOW HE'D HELP THEM OUT WHEN THEY'RE UNABLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE, OH, FIX THEIR FENCE AND THEIR BOYS AREN'T AROUND. THEY'D PLY HIM WITH COOKIES AND SANDWICHES AND MILK AND CAKE. (yes, capslock abuse IS fun!)

... are you sure he's not a pod person? Pod people are strange, after all.

Hey, crack is good too. =D This fic is a great example of just that! ♥

-artimusdin


ONE OR TWO MORE CHAPTERS, YEAH. (at least I think so)

AND RANDOM QUESTION, NOT TO SOUND LIKE A CREEPER. Do you have a livejournal account? @.@ I don't have a dreamwidth one, so.

yes, I am sounding creeper-y. OTL

LOL THE GRANNIES AND AUNTIES, FEEDING HARRY. They're like the mafia's secret agents. Nobody will expect it.

...ffft. *adds to list* WHEN I GET AROUND TO IT, I WILL.

The elderly don't get enough appreciation. ♥ I'm half-tempted to write it in their POV. *shot*

and to answer the pod question: if anything, he's an alien from venus, not mars. it explains everything and absolutely nothing at the same time
artimusdin: (12K - Shoryuu)

Re: ramblings of happy folks, don't mind us!

[personal profile] artimusdin 2011-06-14 04:59 am (UTC)(link)
SWEET. FINISH THOSE CHAPTERS, THEN START THE FUSSING!GRANNY ONE~ <3

I do have an LJ account, I just don't use it much. Insanejournal/Dreamwidth get actual new posts from me, though I do follow a few people on LJ still. =) Same screen name on every account, because I'm original like that.

NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION THE MARAUDING GRANNIES. THEY GO AROUND AND FEED RANDOM, SKINNY WIZARDS CAKE.

Sweet! It won't take much to do, just a chapter or two! =DD

That's how it works, yeah.

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Society for the Continuation of the John Marcone List

(Anonymous) 2011-06-19 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
So I think this the right place to put a link to what I remember of the list and to encourage its continuation- b/c the John Marcone list was made of beauty and joy and should be continued forever and ever.

Link: http://scribe-protra.dreamwidth.org/306.html?thread=682290#cmt682290

(I know this was continued somewhere else but do not remember where)

Anyway to get everyone once more in the spirit of things

Death once had a near-Marcone experience

Superman wears Marcone underwear

Voldemort is afraid to speak the name of John Marcone

John Marcone once counted to infinity. Twice.

Re: Society for the Continuation of the John Marcone List

(Anonymous) 2011-06-19 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
ohhh-wait found the link to the continued list, here we go

http://scribe-protra.dreamwidth.org/306.html?thread=686386#cmt686386

Harry and his attitude toward Marcone

(Anonymous) 2011-06-30 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
Something that struck me as... I dunno, off? about Harry's reactions/attitude towards Marcone; as much as Harry denounces John and annoys him when they meet, as much as Harry talks and acts like there's no way he'll ever trust John, unless one of those cases that turn into a possible city or worldwide catastrophe rears its head Harry never even thinks about him. It seems like Harry trusts John enough or agrees with his methods enough on some unconscious/subconscious level to be comfortable completely ignoring him unless he (Harry) absolutely has to deal with him (John).

Also, Harry is amazingly creative and resourceful when he needs to be, as well as being the usual kind of dangerous. He has friends and allies that are as dangerous, resourceful, and/or creative as he is. He has very strong convictions and has shown that while he's (usually) aware of the consequences of his more serious actions, if he believes in something strongly enough Harry will go through with just about anything and damn those consequences (the war against the Reds and pretty much everything that comes about because of his saving people thing are good examples). If Harry Dresden really, truly thought that John Marcone was a bad guy, was "criminal scum", he'd have taken John out by now or would at least be making life extremely difficult for him.

...discuss?

Re: Harry and his attitude toward Marcone

(Anonymous) 2012-04-25 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Despite his singular disregard for the power vacuum that would occur when the Reds lost (which I think Marcone was utterly distracted by when Harry came calling) I think Harry managed to grasp the good guys couldn't fill Marcone's place. The advantage of not having his daughter hanging in the balance. That to try would make them bad guys or failures.

And he starts getting fond of people in the organization pretty quickly, like being glad Hendricks had kevlar on when the FBI started gunning, or knowing the Morelli thugs would hurt the EP trainers so he'd have to step in despite it being business related.

"Meaner than Men"

(Anonymous) 2011-07-02 04:09 am (UTC)(link)
I'm going through Storm Front again, and I've hit the part where Harry's talking to Murphy and Carmichael about who Tommy Tomm and Jennifer Stanton's killer might be. Harry is utterly convinced that it's a woman, because, as he says, "Women are better at hating than men. They can focus it better, let it go better. Hell, witches are just plain meaner than wizards" (21, paperback).

My question: given what we know of Harry now (Harry's life has been filled with men from both sides of the fence, from manipulative and abusive Justin to his loving father Malcolm, and from the super-strict Morgan to laid-back Bob), where did this ideology come from? If you consider that most of the powerful men in his life have either abused him physically/emotionally/magically or had the potential to (as I don't remember anything canon-specific about Eb being so), where are the "mean" women in his life? Lea, as I see her, isn't so much mean as she is manipulative - and she appears to have had very little of a "mean" impact on Harry's life after Justin, since she's still waiting for him to fulfill his end of the bargain.

The idea that women are meaner than men (given his experience with men - only one, possibly two, "good" father figures) had to originate somewhere. The women I remember in canon only showed their "hate" potential after Harry gives the above statement (in Chapter TWO).

And, final note, is this why Harry is so insistent on treating a woman "like a lady"? I.e., is he afraid if he doesn't they are somehow going to exact revenge?

Please note, I'm aware of the inconsistencies of Harry's logic - he does not, for example, treat Bianca "like a lady". Perhaps because she isn't technically human? On that note, most of the women who show their "mean" potential around him are not vanilla mortals - they're from the magical side of the world.

Re: "Meaner than Men"

(Anonymous) 2011-07-04 02:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't really say if Harry's had personal experience with it or it its even justified, but there are plenty of old sayings about the cruelty of women. It's pretty much a commonly accepted idea that females can, and will, be the meanest thing in your life. I mostly think of it as "Mean Girls" hyped up to a major crimes unit, but what have you.

Yeah, it's not a good opinion, but its one that's been shown with more and more frequency in media and awareness. I can see how Harry would (stupidly) pick it up.

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[personal profile] darklyndsea 2011-07-07 03:43 pm (UTC)(link)
While I was In Japan, I managed to find get a bookstore worker to find a copy of Storm Front in Japanese. It'll only take me 5 years or so to get through.

On the other hand, I missed so much! It's going to take me forever to catch up!

(Anonymous) 2011-07-07 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
ohhhh... I'd *love* a Japanese copy. And to go to Japan. Unfortunately, the last Japanese class I took was four years ago and my skills are somewhat... rusty. Very rusty.

Have fun reading!

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Just got thinking about fanfic...

(Anonymous) 2011-07-13 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
I know I read somewhere that Jim doesn't mind others writing fanfic and sharing with friends, although he won't read it himself, but I was re-reading another series (Green Rider) lately, and wanted to read some fanfic on it. Then I stumbled across this: http://www.kristenbritain.com/faq/faq.html#Fanfic . Now, obviously, she doesn't want fanfic shared about her stories, although it appears that some have completely disregarded that request. I remembered upon seeing it that it was the reason I dropped Green Rider fanfic entirely.

I have noticed that I am more likely to go out and buy Dresden Files as soon as it comes out and read it, and this is a series that I both write and read fanfic in. Green Rider is a series that I would like to see fanfic in, but I also respect the authors wishes and so won't write for it or read very much of it. I also don't go out and buy new books right away, and I didn't even notice that there was a fourth book out until looking at her page today.


My question is this:
So does fanfic actually grow, expand, and keep a fan base for a particular series?



The answer for myself is obviously 'yes.' If I don't have something to keep me interested while waiting for the next book to come out, I forget about it. Not because I didn't like the series, but because I have the attention span of a gnat. I'm also more likely to share that series with others because I want them to read and understand the fics that I'm reading. There are several series that I started reading fanfic for first, and then started reading the series because of the fanfic. David Weber was one of those. :)

Re: Just got thinking about fanfic...

(Anonymous) 2011-07-13 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
The people who write fic are usually the sorts of people who are voracious media consumers. I've seen people talking about going out and buying a whole series of something just to have recent viewing/reading of canon for a Yuletide story. They're the sorts of folks that will spread news about a new release (for good or ill, but all publicity is good publicity, right? Well, mostly.) I think authors who "disallow" fic are shooting themselves in the foot. I tend to avoid authors that do that just because I don't want to go looking and be disappointed. (I find that they sometimes conflate ficcers with pirates too, which is very offputting.) It's all annecdata, but I'd say yes, or at least it doesn't hurt.

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(Anonymous) 2011-07-14 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
If Harry had to put together a band at (non-AU) short notice, who could play keyboards?

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